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Inspired by a fandomsecrets post yesterday or the day before: What is canon shipping really, and why is it appealing?

In my Harry Potter fandom days I called myself a "canon shipper," although technically my canon ships weren't necessarily completely canon yet. Still, I considered them as good as canon, so I shipped them. As I spilled into new things, I still clung to canon ships almost exclusively. Almost.

I've begun to think that I prefer referring to it along the lines of "canon compatible", i.e. ships that might not ever happen in canon, but work within context of the series and don't necessarily go against anything previously established. (So for example, no hero/villain pairings if the villain killed the hero's parents or something, no father figure/child figure pairings, etc.) But even that's a bit trickier because there are universes - and creators - where there's really no limit as to who could possibly get together. If I hadn't been completely spoiled for every Buffy pairing on earth before I even touched the series, and you'd asked me during season two if I thought Buffy and Spike could ever get together romantically, I'd call you nuts. "The only vampire Buffy would ever date is Angel." But then, suppose Angel hadn't been a vampire, or hadn't been a love interest, and we were introduced to our first Buffy/Vampire pairing later on in the series. Would that go against the rules? After all, Buffy's supposed to slay vampires, being a Slayer and everything. And Spike doesn't have a soul. So even though you could argue certain pairings go against Joss Whedon's universe, he himself breaks the "rules," so to speak.

Something else I wonder is why some people cling to canon, whereas others prefer things that aren't remotely close to canon, and I wonder how much
of it comes from the purpose of fandom/fanfiction itself. Going back to Harry Potter, when I got into it, the fifth book wasn't out yet, and wouldn't be for another three years. Fanfic was part of the speculation; what happened behind the scenes, and how might it affect what happens next? That isn't to say I never read AUs or alternative interpretations I knew would never make the series, and obviously fics with OCs were a definite stretch (although there were some creepy parallels in the books), but mostly I read fanfic as an addition to the series. So because I thought Ron and Hermione would probably end up together, that's the pairing I preferred. I also didn't read smut, so it wasn't about anger sex or PWP for me, it was about PG-13 snogging. (During these tender teen years I read a book series that was basically NC-17 prehistoric smut, but my fanfic interests themselves were pretty green. Weird.) So even if I didn't necessarily ship something myself, if I could sort of see it happening in the universe, it often still worked for me. And it's still like that for me with the other fandoms I've delved into. Half the time I don't even want something that focuses on romance to begin with, even if it's a pairing I do ship.

This isn't to say people who do like pairings that might seem removed from canon or ARE most definitely removed are only doing it for the porn, of course! Rather, what I'm saying is that it really comes down to why people are writing and reading fanfic in the first place. Is it about interpretation? Is it about playing with established characters, putting a different spin on them? Is it just about the smut after all?

I'd really like your thoughts. (Though let's not break into any shipping wars, mmkay?)


Date: 2014-05-17 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chocolatepot.livejournal.com
It's funny, but I don't actually hear anyone make a fuss about canon ships actually being you-assume-they'll-be-canon ships anymore? Ship wars seem to have mainly become protests about ship validity - your ship ignores [character], so it's -ist; how can you think X would want Y when X hates Y/Y loves Z? If you were to call Hook/Emma a canon ship some time ago when it was just being heavily telegraphed, nobody would have cared, because what really matters is whether or not you think Swan Queen is an okay ship. And, of course, whether you excuse Regina while hating Rumplestiltskin (blinded shipper!) and vice versa (sexist!).

I have only ever specifically wanted to read very shippy fic if it's for a ship that has something I reallyreally need in my life. Remus/Tonks, Rumbelle; hurt/comfort and pining and people not feeling they're good enough. When I try to think pre-R/T, I honestly can't remember being into shippy fic, as much of a warrior as I was. Just the Shoebox Project (but who the hell wasn't? that was addictive). Definitely reasonably realistic futurefic was what I read, also Marauder Era fic. Now it's ... stuff about Sirius, honestly, nearly every time I go looking for fic it's for Sirius!fic.

So, I'd say that I'm a very easy shipper, I once started to ship two news show hosts from a segment on the Daily Show making fun of shippers, I generally feel open to all ships and so it's not surprising to me when any two characters get together and I always ship it to some degree, even if I don't want to read fic for it. I don't tend to care strongly about a ship* unless it hits certain narrative kinks - everything with R/T when looked at in a positive light; on the reverse, everything to do with Howl/Sophie - and I'm usually invested in characters that go with these kinks. If there's a character who appears to be Troubled by their Sad Past, I'm instinctively going to want to see them with the Fresh-Faced Newcomer. And showrunners know that that kind of ship is very attractive to the audience because of the Emotions, so they usually end up going with it (even if they do it opposite to the way I wanted. Damn it, Shonda Rhimes) at some point and I'm validated and also still shipping canon even though I started before I even thought it would be, which happens all the time. I just like Iddy stuff, and writers' rooms like Iddy stuff because it gets ratings and investment. Fandom would brand me as sticking to canon, but it's more than canon sticks to me.

* the ship wars were a huge anomaly for me; I am easily baited into arguing and have a hard time letting go of things when I know I'm right

Date: 2014-05-17 01:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com
It's funny, but I don't actually hear anyone make a fuss about canon ships actually being you-assume-they'll-be-canon ships anymore?

I think it depends... it's definitely not there like it used to be. But I do still see the canon thing crop up.

I find Sirius a lot more interesting than Remus nowadays, which is funny because when I was a fangirl it was the other way around. But to be fair, some of it is less Remus himself and more that by now, the Brooding Dark Creature trope is so old I'm just sick of it.

the ship wars were a huge anomaly for me; I am easily baited into arguing and have a hard time letting go of things when I know I'm right

I never cared about the shipping wars enough to argue too much, but I think I did get into a few debates.

Date: 2014-05-17 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sherrilina.livejournal.com
Rather, what I'm saying is that it really comes down to why people are writing and reading fanfic in the first place. Is it about interpretation?

Lol assuming one is reading/writing fan fiction in the first place--I am an avid and hopeless shipper, and yet I've never really gotten into fanfic! :p

I think it just really depends on the characters and dynamics and people's preferences. If the canon pairings don't do it for them or they prefer other dynamics present, then people ship fanon. But there's never any guarantee with shipping or preferences. Sometimes when I'm looking at my ship tags on Tumblr I ceinge to see some of the other pairings my fellow shippers like.

Date: 2014-05-17 03:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] aggiebell90
I'm in the process of writing something about this, because I think my views on shipping have changed? Sorta? Maybe? It'll be something like, The Secret History of Jules as a Shipper, volume 1, just because I've been a bit self-reflective lately.

I don't know. I just want to explore it, partly because right now, I'm in a fandom with a bit of a ship-war going on (Arrow), and it's getting a bit reminiscent of the HP ship wars of old. So, yeah... maybe there will be something longer from me on this subject kinda soonish.

Date: 2014-05-17 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com
Interesting...

And ah, ship wars. I miss a lot of things about fandom. That is not one of them.

Date: 2014-05-17 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ragnarok-08.livejournal.com
I've begun to think that I prefer referring to it along the lines of "canon compatible", i.e. ships that might not ever happen in canon, but work within context of the series and don't necessarily go against anything previously established.

I'm the same way with ships, as long as it makes sense and that they can work in context of the series, so that's why I don't go for anything OOC, but that would be too distracting for me at least.

Date: 2014-05-17 08:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thegrownupthing.livejournal.com
I think the introduction of the concept of crack!ship has also changed the way we view fanfic. If I look back 15 years, and wonder how a crack!fic would have been received, I just... can't picture it being appreciated, at all? I feel like people would have been more "shut up and don't waste my time" about it.
Nowadays people have taken the concept to such an extreme that there are fics about inanimate objects having a personality and/or a sexuality and I don't understand if they're just a writing exercise for the person who pens then or even just what kind of satisfaction they can get really, from producing work that is meant to shock/amuse people rather than grip them? I feel people feel a lot freer about shipping pairings that aren't obvious or even shipping crossovers between shows (which I don't like/get). I don't really know why they do it... I'd say "for the attention" but then not everyone produces fan works that they want to claim attention for. It could just be a sense of freedom/liberation "I will ship what I want and you can't stop me". Personally I prefer it when people have at least some sort of supporting argument for their ship - I just seem to value well thought-out explanations even if I don't necessarily agree with them.

Date: 2014-05-17 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] author-by-night.livejournal.com
Interesting... I think you have a very good point there. I think there was a time a lot of REALLY crack pairs were actually scorned. They still happened, but even people who didn't necessarily stick to "canon" had their limits. Now I'm not so sure.

Personally I prefer it when people have at least some sort of supporting argument for their ship - I just seem to value well thought-out explanations even if I don't necessarily agree with them.</i. Same here.

Date: 2014-05-17 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arctic-comet.livejournal.com
I tend to stick to canon ships, but sometimes I ship characters who never end up having anything romantic between them but technically could have had something. I guess they could usually be described as canon-compliant.

There are also some non-canon couples who I just like to read of. Sometimes it's about wanting to see how (or if) the same characters would work together if the dynamics were changed. And sometimes it's only about the porn

Date: 2014-05-17 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nightfalltwen.livejournal.com
Me? I read fanfiction and write fanfiction because I don't like canon ships. I don't like how predictable they are. I like seeing how other characters can interact within the context of the universe.... characters who wouldn't normally interact. That's also why I RP. And why when I play Harry or Hermione (I've played both), I put my foot down at any canon pairings. Because I don't like them.

It's the what-if of fanfiction that appeals to me. Non-canon couples are far more interesting, IMHO, than canon.

In any fandom. Like I don't like Castle/Beckett or Bones/Booth or Hook/Emma ... and I don't think I'd ever read or write fanfiction that features any of the pairings. Like... for me? Once a pairing becomes canon, it takes all the imagination out of it for me.

Date: 2014-05-18 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thekaiserchief.livejournal.com
When I first got involved with fandom I strictly shipped canon, but sometimes I will ship something non-canon if the two characters involved seem like they'd make a good couple. Sometimes my fanon ships become canon, and I won't complain about that.

I like both the what if (including AU fic, which I find fascinating) of fanfic as well as fic that continues the original story.

Date: 2014-05-18 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] solochan.livejournal.com
In terms of canon, I love the moments we don't see - or probably never will.

E.g Remus and Tonkses's wedding, we know it happens, we now even know it's just the two of them, but to imagine the detail, and the feelings of the two characters as center pieces is what I think people find appealing.

Sort of like a change of camera, a change of scenery from being with harry, see what the rest of the world is up too.

But that's just me I guess. I did have a period of liking Remus/Sirius when I was much younger, only because I could imagine the personality traits colliding, but maybe that fizzled out for me when it felt impossible to be canon? I'm not sure. Maybe my brain only likes to create between what's already there?

So yeah, my two cents as it were?

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